Returning to the Lord of the Logos, however: the thing you realize very quickly about Christophe is that he is a true enthusiast, bursting for passion for what he does. Surveying the logos he's done on the Encyclopedia Metallum metal archives - including Pacific Northwest bands like Abigail Williams and Wolves in the Throne Room - you get kind of dizzy, there are so many. Kevin Eisonlord, the Black 2 event organizer and photographer who is managing Christophe and who hooked me up with him, tells me Christophe has done over 10,000 jobs so far, including, as I mention in the Straight piece, the faux-Mayhem Metallica logo in the "ManUNKind" video, which features the cast of the upcoming, controversial Lords of Chaos movie, which looks like it's going to mine all the most sensational and disenheartening aspects of the Mayhem story - where the whole "brain eating" trope comes from, though that seems to greatly exaggerate what Euronymous got up to, which mostly seems to be the making of amulets from bits of Dead's skull (the braineating thing in the Straight article was Mike's addition to the piece). Note, if you watch the Metallica video, the Blasphemy shirt the drummer is wearing!
Besides being passionate about his work, Christophe is, very clearly, a devout FAN of this music. When, for instance, he mentioned grave desecration, my mind went immediately to my chat with Blasphemy co-founder and vocalist Nocturnal Grave Desecrater and Black Winds, where grave desecration was hinted at (and quickly shied away from as a topic). To disgress again for a second, apparently - I learned from Black Winds - grave desecration is something that takes place in some quarters of the black metal community (a member of Norwegian band Emperor, for whom Christophe did the logo, was arrested for it; I forget the bands Gerry told me were also involved in the practice, but there's more than one). The appeal kind of makes some degree of sense, presuming you're into Satanism, or any more extreme brand of individualism; besides getting a good workout with a shovel, you can flout social taboos and conventions of religious superstition, and prove your toughness and independent-mindedness. It reminds me a bit of the Tibetan ritual of chöd, actually, where - I'm simplifying - you play a flute made from a thigh bone trumpet (a "kangling") and/ or a "damaru" (drum often made from a human skull cap) in a cemetary while praying for demons to dismember and/or eat you. It's meant to get rid of ego, but it could also be seen as a really hardcore dare.
As true students of Tibetan spiritual practices will likely see, I don't really know chöd from C.H.U.D., but it does sound like a practice that would have an impact on a person's psyche. There's a bit more on the grave desecration in the black metal community here; apparently a former member of Blasphemy quit the band after he took things a bit far. As it happens, Mickey Hart of the Grateful Dead had similar experiences with a Tibetan damaru, which he was glad to get rid of (thanks to Dan Kibke for these anecdotes; he also has some good stories about Metgumbnerbone, a noise project that drew heat for making instruments from human bones, though these were harvested from a cemetary in disarray, not actually dug up). To come back to Christophe, he had talked in the Black 2 piece about how he would have nothing to do with bands who had desecrated Dimebag Darrell's grave. ("I don't mind if a band has a sort of ideological orientation in their lyrics, but if they are promoting disrespectful acts, that is where things are going wrong.") I wanted to ask the next logical question, to probe his boundaries: what about bands that had desecrated the graves of non-celebrities. Where does Christophe draw the line?
And somewhere in there I mentioned Blasphemy - my only direct encounter with this practice - and Christophe was off and running. Once I said the name Blasphemy, I couldn't get a word in edgewise.
"Blasphemy is a completely different story," he responded, speaking in his very precise, Belgian-accented manner. "It is one of my favourite bands from Vancouver. They are for me the first extreme - really extreme - band I discovered, in 1990," he said, "when they recorded Fallen Angel of Doom, that I picked up as soon as it was released. I knew that this band would be a profound influence to the entire black and death metal scene. And actually, my dream is to finally be wearing a Blasphemy hoodie - with great pride!” (We're trying to help set that up, note). "Even if it's a band with a certain history behind it, it is my top favourite, and one of the most influential bands in my entire discography, because they are a band that opened the whole concept and inspired a lot of bands like Beherit, for example, or Impaled Nazarene, from Finland. And Blasphemy - I caught up with them, I've seen them live when they were with Immortal and Rotting Christ in 1993 - and then in 1994, with Gorguts. And they were absolutely amazing, for both shows. Of course, Immortal at that time were behaving like rockstars, they already had this rockstar attitude, but they were doing good shows. Rotting Christ were very under-estimated, and actually they were a fabulous band, and Blasphemy, you know, there was this excitement: 'Ahh, Blasphemy in Europe! Can't miss that!' That is the time when they were signed on Osmose..."
Anyhow, I abandoned the line of questioning at that point, because I think I get the idea (you can always take it up for yourself at the Rickshaw tomorrow night, where Christophe will apparently be painting a logo on a (living) human body, and be the subject of a short film projection (Mo tells me it won't just be on the side screens, but on a real screen centre-stage). The cost for the event is only $10, which is stunningly cheap. Meantime, here's a bit more of my conversation with Christophe (cut somewhat short due to my faulty microphone).
Allan: Let me ask you about the Metallica video, for "ManUNkind."
Christophe: I think it was a gigantic leap for me, and it marked the year 2016 with a very positive blast. Same with the Rihanna logo, they were the two highlights of 2016. And actually, this is how I got recognized not only by the metal audience, but by the general public. That is when my name got to the light of knowledge of the most general public you can imagine. You know that I work in retailing, that I work at a checkout of a retail story, and I had lots of people who congratulated me for both the Rihanna and Metallica logos, as I had an interview in the local press. That has received positive reactions. I'm actually not even aware that there would be negative reactions to my show with the Vegan Black Metal Chef - but this is Kevin's idea, and Kevin has great ideas. With that being said, Kevin is aiming to put me for Black 3 in Japan on a cruise ship! It would be great if Kevin, with all the connections he gets; I know he can get bands like Darkthrone, Satyricon, Immortal, Emperor - to play all together on one cruise ship! He's got amazing convincing skills, to say how successful an event with these bands, and my exhibition, could be. On a cruise ship!
That sounds amazing...! I wanted to ask about the retail store. I'm surprised given how well-known and respected you are, that you still have to work retail! Do you want to get out of that?
I won't say that, now. I have recently transferred to a very good store where I have excellent rapport with colleagues and management, and I feel like there are a lot of clients who choose another route. Kevin's been talking with a lot of clients - he has put together lots of price packages - and a lot of clients, they just stop responding to emails once it got to the time to take the down payment, which means, "sorry, we've decided to take another route." [Kevin Eisonlord, in a separate interview, noted that there are graphic designers out there willing to work for incredibly cheap, on websites like Fiverr; it's a very competitive field]. The reason why I wanted to pursue retail is, I feel like I cannot yet make a living on my logos, no matter how well-known I am. I've been going with all Kevin's ideas - like Father's Day t-shirt, Mother's Day t-shirts [and others, that I'm not going to mention online, since they involve trademark infringements]. We put them online, and the response was fairly low. So that is proving - I must be honest, I always will be honest with you and everybody else - that making a living out of my logos at the moment is not possible. That's the reason I do about thirty hours in that retail store - I'm contracted for twelve - and I have then my art, that I can fit around it. Also, that art gives a sense to my life. I am single, no wife, no children, so I've got time on my hands to concentrate on the clients who really want to work with me. Remember, there is so much competition... There are excellent other logo artists, like Chris Horst, Gragoth from Luciferium War Graphics, Raoul Mazzero from View from the Coffin, [and someone whose name sounds like "Alan Zahim," who I can't find on Google], they are all people I have collaborated with, on several occasions. Especially I have done collaborative works with Chris Horst. And how many times, clients, when I have responded, just the next day - because I got the email while I was sleeping - the client was saying, "well, thank you very much for your time and response, but we have chosen to work with a different artist." How many times I have received that answer! Practically nine out of ten times. That proves there is very strong competion in the logo art scene, which very few people seem to realize!
I certainly hadn't. So what logos are you working on lately?
At the moment I've been working on quite a few. I've been working with a band from Barcelona called Together, I've started working with a logo for a company from London called Bompas and Parr, a clothing company called Blind Death, a metal band from Canada called Black Sacrament(s?), and then another called Thanatos - so quite a large bunch of people. And also last week I've been working on a few designs that I have sent to Kevin - Kevin asked me to do renditions of a few classics [from a company whose name I will keep out of this article] like The Lion King, The Little Mermaid... but it wasn't really clicking. I kind of forced myself into these, but I got really unlocked when I did something that Kevin had not asked me to do, which is the Sorcerer's Apprentice, and there I let my imagination go completely berserk, especially with brooms carrying buckets! And this melody - "dah dah dat dah dah, dah dah" - it really unlocked me! I don't know, the others just didn't click. I also used my own initiative, on my own, to create two logos for Game of Thrones, and one for Deadpool.
They're not comissioned pieces, though, right?
They aren't comissioned, they're just things I did because I wanted to do them. I have not been asked to do it. I've sent them to Kevin, because - with that being said, Kevin has the most amazing marketing skills you can ever imagine, it's amazing how he can sell ice to Eskimos. He is so good at it!
They aren't comissioned, they're just things I did because I wanted to do them. I have not been asked to do it. I've sent them to Kevin, because - with that being said, Kevin has the most amazing marketing skills you can ever imagine, it's amazing how he can sell ice to Eskimos. He is so good at it!
When you do designs outside of black metal bands - are they all in the fashion of metal logos?
They have a sort of black and death metal form, especially the one I did the Sorcerer's Apprentice!
Did you have any interesting experiences last time you came to Vancouver?
Last time I went to see some interesting shows. I had a glimpse of a band I really like - the Dayglo Abortions. I really enjoyed their music; I think they're the sort of "missing link" between punk and metal. And I think also that they are a very emblematic band in Canada. I picked up their album Here Today, Guano Tomorrow, in 1987, when it was on sale - you know the unsold records, after awhile they go on a discounted sale? So I just picked it up for $5. It was still in shrinkwrap, an unsold album. But they have a reputation for playing loads of gigs, they probably are doing one gig every day!
Murray Acton of the Dayglo Abortions, by bev davies, not to be reused without permission
They work hard, yes! Let me ask one last question. I am surprised that some people have taken exception to the Vegan Black Metal Chef's appearance at the Rickshaw. Maybe they don't know his stuff - it seems very smart and funny and he obviously has a love of black metal, but there's been a hostile reaction to it - some people in the black metal community seem to take themselves a little seriously. So how do you feel about sharing the stage with the Vegan Black Metal Chef?
I think, personally, it's fabulous, it's amazing, because I am open minded. Unfortunately, I would say to a lot of these black metal kids who consider themselves true and cult and evil as possible, my message to them is, "Grow up and wake up."
Christophe Szpajdel will be at the Rickshaw tomorrow (Sunday, June 11th) alongside the Vegan Black Metal Chef, Kevin Eisonlord, and SVNEATR. Tickets are a mere $10. Also check out the Covenant Festival night three, also at the Rickshaw, starting in about two hours from now (5pm today).
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