I say it all here!
https://www.straight.com/music/king-missile-theremin-man-and-more-ready-to-flock-to-quadrapalooza-2025
I say it all here!
https://www.straight.com/music/king-missile-theremin-man-and-more-ready-to-flock-to-quadrapalooza-2025
...Or bev davies, as she may prefer. She found photos of Steve Shelley in Vancouver in 1984, on his first trip to Vancouver, drumming for the Crucifucks. Note: this article has been expanded to include some Steve Shelley stuff that didn't make the Straight piece(s)... which is NOW ONLINE. A part two is pending!
But this is all apropos of the upcoming Orcutt/ Shelley / Miller gig at the Rickshaw. But it starts, as we see, with the Crucifucks. The best of B/bev's photos doesn't even have Steve Shelley in it (a second one follows):
The Crucifucks, New York Theatre, Oct. 21, 1984, by bev davies, not to be reused without permission. I suspect that's Marc Hauser on bass... Gus Varner is on guitar... I wonder who the little kid is in the bottom right? (These were all-ages shows).
Steve Shelley and I talked a bit about the kit you see in these photos: “That’s a Pearl drum kit; it’s in the Sonic Youth studio now. I moved to New York with that drumkit! That’s kind of a funky drumkit. It was sold to me by an older musician in my hometown that had bought two of everything to make a double kit, so he had two kick drums and four tom toms; it was a monster kit, like a Rush-style kit, y’know? And he decided he was going to play country music, so he sold me half of his double kit. With Urban Cowboy, country music was where the bucks were!”
He acquired it just before moving to New York -- it wasn't the kit he grew up with, he tells me. "But in that band Faith and Morals and in Strange Fruit, I would have had that Pearl kit."
He'd been in a school band--an orchestra band and a marching band--in his hometown of Michigan, but his real education, it seems, came from the drumkit he had in his parents basement. “I would go down and bash it out after dinner!”
The rest of this is as previously ran; the Straight piece -- maybe a two-parter? -- will have more. But it turns out Steve Shelley and I have something in common, sort of. See, I was two years into being a punk rocker in 1984. I had only found out about the genre in 1982. Punk rock was not otherwise visible to me in elementary school, on television, on the radio, and then a friend played me Never Mind the Bollocks when I was 14.
It was life-changing. By the time the Dead Kennedys played the New York Theatre (now just known as the York Theatre, but still open, on Commercial), back in October of 1984, I had all their records and even a bootleg (A Skateboard Party, whereupon you hear Jello sternly admonish the crowd, "These are the only shoes I have. Leave them alone").
But I also still had a fairly conservative upbringing with Catholic parents. I remember seeing the posters and flinching in horror from a band name the second night: the Crucifucks. How terrible! How offensive! How scary! I resolved to go only on the first night. Which I did. It was my first ever "real" Vancouver punk show (I was living in Maple Ridge at the time, and didn't drive, so it was a big deal to even get there and get home). Joey Shithead was a roadie, helping out onstage, but didn't perform (the crowd briefly chanted "Shit-head, Shit-head" until he looked out at them, irritated). I could have gone the second night, to see the Crucifucks, too (and Death Sentence, playing September 5th at LanaLou's with the Scammers!). I elected not to.
I didn't realize that I would become a Crucifucks fan. Enough of a fan that I would bug Steve Shelley about it at the merch table at the Biltmore, when he played here with Lee Ranaldo a few years back. "I want to interview you about your time in the Crucifucks!"
In case you didn't know, the Crucifucks' first album features Steve Shelley on drums, pre-Sonic Youth. Compare the drums on "Go Bankrupt and Die" with "Stereo Sanctity." Sound like the same guy? It is.
Shelley clearly wasn't as enthusiastic about the topic as I was. All he would say that night was that the Doc Dart in the Vice article, the guy who now refused to say his own former band's name and referred to them as the Christmas Folks, was completely different from the guy he'd known. I bugged him twice about it, in between pestering the band to sign stuff, but that seemed like all he was prepared to give me. So I told him I would write him, and that maybe we could talk Crucifucks if it served his interests, sometime.
That was in 2013. I wrote him like I said I would. I never heard back. Then this happened (bandcamp here; Rickshaw gig info here): the time finally arrived where I could interview Steve about this very early band he was in, and it would actually (maybe) benefit him!
...And sometimes when you find out, it's not fun, it's not entertaining, it's not "a good story," but something you wish you could go back to not knowing. People are only human, and sometimes humans can fuck up in spectacular, ugly, heartbreaking ways. I have made discreet inquiries about one local band we all know, who were destined to fall apart spectacularly, and whose name I will not now mention, to spare the innocent and guilty alike: finally hearing the sordid details of the end of that band a) saddened me, b) filled me with resolve never to repeat the story; and c) stopped me asking questions about it for all time. Some of you may not know the band I mean, but those of you who do are probably, like, "Yeah, Al, let's not go there." And those of you who don't, I assure you: it will just make you sad. You are better off.
I do not know how much any of that applies to Steve Shelley's time in the Crucifucks, because there was only so far into it that Shelley would get. When I asked about the subject of Doc's animal rights activism, and if the band was expected to keep vegan, Shelley said "let's move on." So I would be unsurprised to learn that the Crucifucks were one such band. Doc Corbin Dart, the leader, was quite the unique character. You hear him on that first Crucifucks album prank calling the police to complain about his own band, so he could record their answers and put them between tracks; this is bordering on something a character in a Philip K. Dick novel would do, and yes, I'm thinking of A Scanner Darkly. Dart has had well-documented mental health struggles (with borderline personality disorder, apparently). He has a solo album, out of print, named for a counselor or therapist that he was seeing and apparently obsessed enough with to write songs about (an interesting review with links, here). Make sure you listen to "Out My Window." It's actually brilliant popcraft, a truly great song.
But great songs can come from difficult people. I mentioned the Crucifucks in a conversation with another esteemed American punk recently, one who feels, like I do, that the Crucifucks were an amazing band (he'd actually seen them). But he also remarked, when I suggested that I thought from my conversation with Shelley that Doc might have been difficult to work with, that that was "because Doc was fucking insane!"
He said it with love, of course. Jello Biafra, too, when I spoke to him about Dart some years ago, was laughing in fondness and awe that Dart had changed his name to 26 and released an album called The Messiah, with images on the cover of one of his raccoon friends. I seem to recall reading, maybe in that Vice thing, that, along with "mystical practices," Dart had developed relationships with and given names to his backyard raccoons.
I can dig that, actually -- I get real happy when I see neighbourhood rats, lately, and stop to say hello to them, but the fact remains: when Jello Biafra regards you as an eccentric, it means something.
In fact, The Messiah is a terrific album. Try "Animals," for instance. Doc -- excuse me, 26 -- is an animal rights advocate and rhymes "peace and love and pacifism" with "shallow sentimentalism," urging us to "get right with the animals." There's a lot of incredible musicianship and songwriting in Doc Dart's body of work, pre-and-post- Christmas Folks, and I wish him nothing but the best; I would interview him if I could. I think about him from time to time and wonder if he'll ever come back to making music. I've heard stories about him selling baseball cards and driving an SUV and if they're true I feel happy for him, I guess (as long as he's happy, y'know? I hope he isn't miserable).
But that's all the preamble you need. Who is this Doc Dart, who are these Crucifucks, and how much is Steve Shelley, when pressed, willing to share with me? (We did talk Crucifucks a bit!). You will see the answers to these questions and much more (including some great Neil Young stories, and lots about Sonic Youth, but no Moe Tucker: I forgot to ask) in maybe two weeks' time, before the Shelley-Orcutt-Miller show.
In the meantime -- before I disappear from the blogosphere for awhile -- here are two photographs by Bev that I want to show you. These will suffice until my Steve Shelley interview finds its way online (if I am killed in a tragic blimp accident before September 9th, someone please transcribe the Zoom recording with Steve Shelley and get it to Mike, okay?). Because the Straight usually only has one article image, I wanted to show you these separately from that piece. If you've come here from the Straight website, hello. Welcome to my blog.
Here's a Crucifucks photo from the same show with Steve Shelley plainly visible behind the drum kit:
And here is a photo Bev took the night before, of the Bill of Rights onstage.
Three of my hobbies are thrifting, low-level record collecting, and interviewing musicians. Sometimes, when it comes to gift-giving, they overlap.
To start with thrifting: I do a fair bit of it (as well as garage sale hopping and "delete-bin / library booksale/ Neptoon Free Doorway Boxes" scrounging). I find some fun vinyl that way. Like, how does that go, "I'd pay a quarter for that?" Sometimes I'll go up to two bucks, if the record is interesting enough, like this LP-length presentation by the Society for Indecency to Naked Animals. Take a minute to ponder the organization's name; what does the phrasing suggest to you, especially if considered irrespectively of the cover art?
Maybe it's the ESL teacher in me, but I zoom in on that preposition. It's not "of," which would be congruent with the painting, which suggests that the animal's fundamental indecency is what needs to be addressed. Instead, the "to" actually suggests, at least to me, some variant on, uh, bestiality... such that when you factor in the horse -- I mean, standing there at a Value Village, I was going, what the fuck, is this some sort of horsefucking thing? What the fuck IS this?
Now as my wife can tell you, that topic of horsefucking has some significance to my career as a journalist; my first article for the Straight was this, about the Enumclaw horsefucking episode and the film subsequently made about it, Zoo. A variant on this story, drawing on outtakes, appeared in CineAction, as well -- which also was a big deal for me, in terms of encouraging me along on this never-lucrative path. In fact, I have been cautioned about mentioning the topic of Enumclaw to Erika's family members too soon in my introductory conversations with them. Having learned the hard way that I will do such things, Erika has been seen to take control as soon as she hears me mention that piece of geography, shushes me and tells the story about me, adding a meta-level explanation, which, don't tell her, makes it even more amusing to me; we're still talking about horsefucking -- because there needs be some context given, right? Except now it's coming with a few parenthetical remarks about me, too, while I'm right there, grinning affably: "Okay, we can tell the story this way, if you'd prefer!"
Everyone has a childish side somewhere, right?
Coming back to SINA, that "to" not "of" is probably a deliberate bungling, one of the layers of humour behind the project, a "wouldn't-it-be-even-dumber-if" moment, perhaps as bait for people to ask about it on talk shows. Y'see, Buck Henry was involved in some manifestations of SINA; they were a satirical media-infiltrating operation of some minor notoriety in the 1970s, in some ways not unlike the media-infiltrating activities of the Cryptic Corporation, presenting their art on a meta-level, as well. Just sub animals with pants in for people with eyeballs on their heads, you know?
Before you begin to fear that we are spiraling down a rabbithole of TMI weirdness, do note, this is not actually a digression. Y'see, Buck Henry represented SINA on television under a pseudonym, pretending to sincerely advocate for putting clothing on animals. And Buck Henry looks strikingly like Homer Flynn (of said Cryptic Corporation) in some regards. In fact, I think it's possible the first time I saw Homer Flynn on TV, I wondered if it was Buck Henry in a role. I have no doubt this is something Homer has heard before.
And of course, while I never met Buck Henry, I have talked in person twice with Homer Flynn and may do so again someday. There was even "paparazzi video" of me shot and posted online, talking with him, pitching this article. So if I am thus fortunate once more, I'm going to offer Homer this record. I have tucked it away safely until such a time comes. If he doesn't want it, maybe I'll check with Negativland, if I ever see them (I suspect Charles Mudede, the other person I've interviewed of relevance here, probably would not want this record).
This is how the thrift-and-gift usually works, I guess: first you buy the record ("someone will want this") and then you figure out who it's for.
Though sometimes you know at the outset. Another example of a thrift store oddity set aside for the next time I see a musician: I have one of the "Inside Track" albums awaiting Dar Williams, next time she comes to town, because we actually talked Alison Steele the last time she was here; Steele comes up in her splendid poptune, "FM Radio." The album itself is a curious thing: it's one-minute long introductions to songs, given by Alison Steele, that could be played over military radio, intercut with the songs themselves. There were whole radio shows of Steele put onto vinyl -- also a Rap Line series. Maybe there are other deejays that did this? It's a practice I know very little about; you don't see these every day.
Which brings us to the point: Riverdans are playing today at LanaLou's as part of another Punk Rock Flea Market. And one of the people whose records I pick up regularly when thrifting is Oscar Brand. I have gifted Oscar Brand records to Jeff Andrew, Rowan Lipkovits, Jello Biafra, I think Eugene Chadbourne, and likely also the Minimalist Jug Band. At any given moment, odds are I have one or two in my collection, awaiting the right person, thrifted for a dollar or less. There is NO DEMAND for these -- they are semi-ubiquitous and never expensive, despite them being uniformly wonderful... and politically sometimes beyond the pale, but nevermind that...
So the last time I saw Dan Scum, who I interviewed here, I gave him a couple of these (I think volumes 3 and 5). I have since found another, so I texted him: do you want another? He does.
But in fact I have something even cooler and more curious. Y'see, Dan has been known to sing "Dirty Old Town," which you might know as a Pogues song, but is actually by Ewan MacColl (father of Kirsty, who is on "Fairytale of New York"). MacColl also sang "Poor Paddy Works on the Railway." I thought I might actually have a dupe album to give to Dan on this front, as well, so I dug around my Ewan MacColls today, and learned something startling. I do have the album duped: once as a 10" and once as an LP (on red vinyl, oddly enough, which one doesn't expect on older records). And the odd thing here is, the records, whether on 10" or 12", are the same. It's either a very long 10" or a very short 12", or possibly a bit of both. I had thought the LP would combine the sequel 10" as well -- which I also have -- but it turns out that it does not.
I also learned in doing this that I do not have Ewan MacColl on vinyl singing "Dirty Old Town" anywhere. I had thought I did ("Poor Paddy Works on the Railway" is on this, and its really almost as punky as the Pogues' version, once MacColl picks up speed).
I do have something for Jonny Bones, too, rest assured, but it's not a thrift store record. He does tell me he'll be there (and there are some other cool surprise guests in town, too). It's kind of ironic that the last time I was at a benefit show for him, it was interrupted by a Powerclown gig!
I'm being told Riverdans will go on about 2:30. There's a whole lot of music happening all day, I suspect, not clear exactly what to expect. If you're looking for an interesting place to have lunch, shop for trinkets or custom soaps or used records or... whatever Jonny brings? It's going to be a spectacular afternoon.
If you happen to have a Ewan MacColl record with "Dirty Old Town" on it for me, I wouldn't say no, but you could also give it to Dan.
More here.
I am using two arena rock shows, this weekend and last, as the pretext for doing some writing about other matters. Most photos are by me, but the one above is by Erika. The Alabama Shakes ones might be her, too (my phone died, but I also borrowed hers for a couple shots, so I dunno).
Erika and I travelled to Seattle last weekend to see Alabama Shakes. On hearing we were going, our friends had quite a range of reaction, from people urging us to reconsider to people reassuring us it would probably be fine. I did crack a few jokes myself ("I always kind of wanted to visit El Salvador") but didn't anticipate much complication; in fact, it turns out the only issue at the border was making it clear to the border guard that we were going to Seattle, not Alabama (I think he figured out that "Alabama Shakes" was the name of a band, eventually, but Erika had to repeat herself once to get it across). They didn't even look at our phones, and to this day, no one has searched any of my cavities (unless it was a medical exam).
Hungry and nostalgic, and having sat at the border for over an hour, I suggested, once we crossed, that we pop into Bellis Fair Mall. I have some history with that mall. As a young guy travelling across the border with my parents, at a record store that is long gone, I bought my first Big Star record there, Sister Lovers, which was, as I recall, a blind buy based on it being 99 cents. One of my top blind buys ever; I don't think I even knew who Big Star was. I also bought Bad Religion's Suffer and Paul Leary's A History of Dogs there, I think on CD, which I would later sell, then re-acquire on vinyl when I was scheduled to talk to Paul Leary (which I did). That dates the trip, actually: it must have been 1991 or later, which is when that album came out, though I don't remember grunge having blown big at that point. I also bought uncensored VHS tapes of Day of the Dead and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre Part 2 at the Target (both films had gore cut from them when they came out in Canada); unlike the record store, the Target is still there.
There are always odd little things to get used to in the USA, like this signage on the glass walls of the Bellis Fair Mall library. But one of the weirder quirks involved our phones; this was the first trip south Erika and I have taken since using Google Maps became a thing, and we were mildly surprised when all the directions switched to miles ("Turn right in 3/4s of a mile"), which happens as soon as you cross over (then switches back when you cross back). Like most Canadians in our age groups, both Erika and I remember the changeover from imperial to metric, so that some things we grew up with, we are habituated to thinking of in pounds, inches, feet. I can't tell you how many kilograms I weigh or how many meters I am tall (I can't even do the fuckin' math, have no interest or need for it, and don't carry the formula in my head; 5' 11" and a half and 305 pounds are good enough for me). But we buy litres of milk, not gallons, and we think in kilometers. Telling us to turn right in 3/4s of a mile required some translation, since we don't intuitively use those units of measurement. Instead of such-and-such meters. you'd look at the Google Maps display and see 0.2 miles. What the fuck is that, even? It was kind of strange that our phones "went local" in this regard.
But Erika has history with Bellis Fair, too, so we were happy to pop in. We'd been on the road for awhile, so we beelined for the restrooms, then the food fair, with me briefly popping into the library to ask someone at a desk if there was a record store or bookstore in the mall. They were very polite and friendly about it, but there wasn't.